Here is latest from the Vatican Press Office on the much-discussed and highly-anticipated motu proprio regarding the 1962 Mass:Si è svolta ieri pomeriggio in Vaticano una riunione, presieduta dal Cardinale Segretario di Stato, in cui è stato illustrato ai rappresentanti di diverse conferenze episcopali il contenuto e lo spirito dell’annunciato "Motu proprio" del Santo Padre sull’uso del Messale promulgato da Giovanni XXIII nel 1962. Il Santo Padre si è recato a salutare i presenti e si è intrattenuto con loro in un’approfondita conversazione per circa un’ora. La pubblicazione del documento – che sarà accompagnato da un’ampia lettera personale del Santo Padre ai singoli Vescovi - è prevista entro alcuni giorni, quando il documento stesso sarà stato inviato a tutti i Vescovi con la indicazione della sua successiva entrata in vigore.One attempt (not mine) at a translation:
A meeting took place yesterday afternoon at the Vatican, presided by the Cardinal Secretary of State, in which the content and the spirit of the expected "Motu proprio" of the Holy Father on the use of the Missal promulgated by John XXIII in 1962 were explained to the representatives of several episcopal conferences. The Holy Father came to salute those who were present and maintained a deep discussion with them for about one hour. The publication of the document - which will be accompanied by a thorough personal letter of the Holy Father to the singular Bishops - is predicted for within a few days, when the document itself will be sent to all Bishops with the indication of its successive coming into effect.The many chapels of Ave Maria will certainly be worth watching as they rise to the occasion.
UPDATE: The NYT has reported the following quote from AMU's Father Fessio:
The Rev. Joseph Fessio, an American Jesuit priest who has published the pope’s books, said: “Because he is such a deliberate person, it is hard for me to think that he will have done all these drafts and spent all this time and not publish it. If he really believes it would help the church and doesn’t do it because some bishops complain, then all he does is strengthen the position of those bishops who want to oppose him.”UPDATE 2: A WaPo article on this new motu proprio quotes an Ave Maria Law alum, the erudite and charming Mary Anne Zivnuska. Both the WaPo and NYT quote people with Ave Maria bona fides in their reporting on the motu proprio; the nation's papers of record know where they can find no-nonsense Catholics, no?
You need to credit your translator. You also need to answer the question you posed in your header. Why don't you ask them? I'd love to hear the answer.
ReplyDeleteOh, and ask Fr. Orsi, too. You guys seem well placed to get an answer.
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ReplyDeleteIsn't it a bit premature to be asking how Ave Maria will incorporate the motu proprio? Shouldn't Ave Maria officials first seek permission for ecclesial functions from the local Ordinary?
The title question is all the more interesting given the chilly reception given to those who love the old Mass at AMU-Naples.
ReplyDeleteI've been wondering the same thing. I'm very hopeful that they incorporate some traditional masses in the liturgy at the main chapel.
ReplyDeleteAnd if they don't, I'll be really upset, b/c I know there's no chance that the bishop in the Diocese of Rockville Center (my blue state "Voice of the Faithful" diocese) will be coming through for me anytime soon, leaving only schismatic options for the traditional mass.
It seems to me that the first year after the publication of the Motu Proprio is essential, as bishops will either get right to work enacting it, or it will fade into memory as a mere "option."
I would hate for the Motu Propio to be treated like V II's Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, which framed it's discussion of the use of the vernacular with the statement: "36. (1) The use of the Latin language, with due respect to particular law, is to be preserved in the Latin rites."
That statement is clearly ignored, and I would hate for the current Motu Propio to be similarly ignored for supposedly "practical" reasons.
Nick Healy has repeatedly stated that all legitimate Catholic liturgy is welcome at AMU. With no rubric or Church law in the way of celebrating the 1962 Mass, it seems clear that a priest wishing to say that Mass will be able to do so.
ReplyDeleteThe Mass and other liturgies have been offered at AMU for years with no apparent conflict with the local ordinary.
ReplyDeleteSeems to be a non-starter there, P-man.
With Fr. Fessio sent out to pasture in Rome, I doubt AMU will do much of anything with the MP. There's no all-congregation kiss/hug of peace in the Tridentine Mass. And gee-tars are verboten.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the MP will allow the Fraternity of St. Peter to say Mass on campus without the harrassment they have experienced on prior visits, though.
The policy (set by Healy) at AMC was always, "if it's ok by the pope, it's ok by us." This led to a catholicity and universality on campus that was one of the most appealing features of AMC. It was a very lively place for discussions of liturgy and theological language. :-)
ReplyDeleteIs this not the case at AMU?
Kate,
ReplyDeleteI understand that Nick Healy recently reiterated that same policy for AMU.
"if it's ok by the pope, it's ok by us."
ReplyDeleteGood policy, but in practice there have been some notable deviations from that policy (in terms of restrictions on, for example, the old Mass).
Now, any institution can have members who violate an institution's policy, but usually when that happens, there are consequences. Has that happened?
Well, without any kind of relationship with the local ordinary, it would be hard to go through the right channels to get permission for the old rite to be said, wouldn't it? I mean, couldn't this be indicative of the problem with this irregular situation vis a vis the local diocese, rather than any prejudice against the rite?
ReplyDeleteThe Ave Maria policy clearly allows approved indult Masses, and if the Motu Proprio removes the necessity for an indult from the Ordinary, then any priest will be allowed to offer the traditional Mass at AM. So the Motu language will determine that issue. We will know July 7.
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